No. Dr. Calixto believes she inhabits some new, unnamed category of alternate consciousness but even he didn't suggest she is in a PVS or a minimally conscious state.It's also interesting that both Quinlan and Bland lost significant body mass while Jahi still seems to retain hers. Google it. (IE giving her solid food secretly). Ever. If I've got usable parts at that point, let somebody else use them. If you post spam or advertisements, I will hunt you down and eliminate you.Comments may be moderated. "anti-brain death quack Dr. Paul Byrne""quack"well that settles it. I don't know. Theyve long since surpassed that point and are giving out malicious misinformation. She will never recover. Until the mother accepts the fact that Jahi is dead the self induced suffering will continue especially for her other children. There is going to have to be some actual medical evidence to get a death certificate overturned, and that's just not going to happen. In 1968, a Harvard committee proposed that death could also be defined neurologically as the irreversible loss of brain function. Anon april 13 2:37 i believe this was touched on in a previous blog post, dor at least it was discussed in the comment section. Life support measures can only sustain life where there's actual living tissue, correct? After I posted I realized your tongue in cheek and laughed at myself for being too serious and not understanding your intent.And thanks Connor. I wonder how the logistics of that would work. and yes, there are siblings. I watched the video maybe three times, because I thought I missed it the first time. I watched the video maybe three times, because I thought I missed it the first time. Yeah, I sort of spoke to him.Zaphod Beeblebrox: What did he say?Ford Prefect: Nothing much. I just now found your page. I have been continually horrified by this story since its beginning. (Even if she loses-there will be some sort of money involved) and two, Mom Nails will forever be the victim here. Refusing to accept the doctors determination that Jahi was dead, Nailah and Marvin Winkfield flew Jahi to New Jersey the only state that defers to a familys religious beliefs when determining whether a person has died and kept her on life support for years. ." . Jahi looked shrunken and skinny with obvious necrosis on her lip area. ;-) Ohhe's got a blogwell there ya go. All of our brain death criteria were formulated decades ago before most of today's high-tech imaging.Let me make two points - First the routine diagnosis of brain death should not change as of today. Darn autocorrect on the phone. Over on the Keep page people are still asking for the videos that were promised back in February to no avail. It's hard to argue fraud in that case. The ones who a suffering the most are Jahi's siblings. Federal government websites often end in .gov or .mil. I have seen people that weren't brain dead and there hands are all contracted, some in fetal position. If the FB page was a conduit for donations, there'd be continuous updates -- and by that I mean posts about anything and everything, even if there are no new videos. Honestly not paying and having her heart stop would not be a bad thing. This is a carousel. Unless her NJ Medicaid funding ends and her mother accepts that she's dead, they can stay there for years. I think they should proceed with resting.Cory Franklin M.D. If you google the results from Terri's autopsy you would know that even though she was in a Vegetative state her brain was shrunken and partially liquefied. Jahi, who would have turned 18 this year, lay in a casket painted in her favorite lavender hue. HHS Vulnerability Disclosure, Help She was 17. video of Jahi supposedly moving her foot to command, video was posted of Jahi supposedly breathing over the ventilator, 124 (now 144) (now now 157) papers that DO NOT prove vaccines cause autism. I hope you are OK as it has been a long time since your last post.If you are having some well deserved vacation time, may it be filled with fun and frolics.Keep up the good work. I mean, who lets a kid bleed to death in their ICU, right? Have worked in the graphics/photo arena since the 1980's. Thanks. What the mom is doing is not only disgusting but it's dishonorable to her daughter who passed. The judge agreed with the defense's argument that by attempting to try their case in the "court of public opinion" by releasing selected and biased declarations, Jahi's family had waived any right to her medical privacy.Doc didn't mention that Dr. Nakagawa was the lead author of the revised brain death determination criteria for infants and children which was updated in 2011. "greater love hath no man but that he lay down his life for another"I don't see how that could fail to include organ donation. It's funny because the psychos blast everyone for having an opinion and some who insult the family [though I think insulting the family is a little far too] yet they're doing the same thing to others. some versions also have it that Jahi was not supposed to be speaking and that the family was posting on social media that she was talking and laughing. Ken, thanks. I also want to thank the good doctor for keeping us informed. Dozens of mourners streamed into Acts Full Gospel Church to memorialize the Oakland teen whose throat surgery gone awry inspired the latest national debate over the meaning of death. They are milking the system! There have been no real advancements made in the legal trial, though there has been the usual and expected back . I believe in God and I also believe in miracles, but it's clear he called this young lady home awhile ago. and transmitted securely. Thanks so much, and do come back. If you search her name you will not find any links to any crowdfunding or donation portals. Reems Academy on MacArthur Boulevard. well, step siblings. What it is to us is that public resources are used to keep someone like Jahi "alive." they become evident as decay, decomposition and putrefaction. McMath's mother stated she was honored to receive the award and referred to her daughter as still asleep, clarifying that she does not use the phrase "brain dead" to refer to her daughter. What is the full name of the page? What it is overwhelmingly, however, is WEST. This is unhealthy for them. and yes, they are acting out in response to the neglect. Once I complained, I was immediately sent to collections. that being that her appearance has more to do with photo manipulation than medicine. Without being allowed to do more studies on her we can tell you from a study of her brain three years ago she is dead kept "alive" by machines and medicines, however, she should have had some form of breakdown and her heart by studies should have stopped and disallowed her body to continue being kept artificially alive by somatic support.. That makes a whole lot more sense. I would be interested in DocB's opinion too. it is a horribly convoluted case, once you start looking for liability. Plus, it creates a dangerous precedent which others may (and have) irrationally follow. There she became statutorily resurrected and was treated as a comatose, living patient for the next four and a half years. Jahi's family fought very hard to keep the contents of these medical records out of the court documents made public. You just tune the body up with antibiotics and pressors, more steroids back to the nursing home you go and see you again in a couple of months. [46] Public confusion surrounding differences between brain death and cardiac death raised by this case led some doctors to voice concern about how the case could affect live organ recovery from brain dead patients. Please enable it to take advantage of the complete set of features! Court records show she is receiving Medicaid. They are vile and disgusting, and should probably be charged with fraud. However, aspirated clot and the ensuing airway disaster that that could cause, is a tragic, but more understandable scenario. Nailah isnt a qualified assessor. Ultimately, God knows and is the judge. Remember Jahi was right as the repeal vote was happening related to California tough malpractice protections. Motel Styx: we'll keep the respirator on for you. [47] The impact of this case on medical negligence awards in California has also been discussed, as there is no compensation limit if the patient is alive, while compensation is capped at $250,000 if the patient has died. My prayers are with you. morbid curiosity is normal for us. In the case of brain death- I get, it's black and white, what if there is a very small gray.. We just don't what the gray is..My belief is death is the greatest equalizer.. She did that 6 times. Why does the state keep paying for this? "So if her brain is literally dead meat inside her skull, how is she not literally rotting away from the inside out? It feels unreal and as if a part of you died along with your loved one. But to me, the proportions of Jahi's face in the photos of this past year do not look correct. Her case gained international attention as her mother fought a legal battle to keep her on life support. Thank you. It is not really "up north." It's about that time again, folks: time to revisit the tragic story of Jahi McMath. Now that we get some actual facts, instead of lay persons interpretations, it sounds as if she aspirated some blood - probably clots. Even if they are correct in their belief, counseling could help them balance the emotional strains they must be experiencing from living so publicly and separately from one another. [55][56] Dolan then withdrew the petition for the October 2014 court hearing[57] and requested that the involved doctors collaborate, stating that "with an open and transparent dialogue between health care professionals, only one conclusion can remain: that Jahi McMath is not brain dead. I understand Jahi suffered a huge amount of blood loss leading to her heart not beating. [9][10][11][12] Paul Fisher, M.D., the court-appointed independent expert who had confirmed McMath's diagnosis of brain death in December 2013, said that the new evidence presented did not refute his earlier determination of brain death. Even if Jahi had been moved from California to Seattle, due north of Oakland, no one in California would say that she had gone "up north." However it seems that's still little in the big picture of things. In the case of the 4 year old who was kept on somatic support for 20 years after brain death it was found on autopsy that his brain had calcified. For the remainder of her life, expect to hear in one way or another (books or movies) how MomNails was oh so forced to "kill" i.e. Children's Hospital Oakland maintained that the original diagnosis of brain death was correct and that the videos do not meet the diagnostic criteria for brain death. Why did they continue trying to start the heart, if it being stopped so long cause such severe brain damage? The state is not funding Jahi's care.The only way mamanails could move Jahi to New Jersey was to have the coroner file a death certificate which then allowed mamanails to take custody of the body and do what she pretty much wanted with it which was move her up north to a state where somebody can be claimed to be alive even when they are dead on religious grounds which is what mamanails did.They tried and as far as i know failed, to get the death certificate overturned.If she had succeeded then Jaho would be declared alive again and would then be moved back down south and the state would then become liable for Jahi's care plus there would be million dollar liability and compensation.I am pretty sure that mamanails and chums have refused to allow independent doctors to perform any tests that would conclusively prove Jahi is still dead.These include apnoea tests (claiming it would harm her further) brain scans and anything else remotely unfavorable to the story they are spinning.This does not smack of a parent in denial, it smacks of a parent seeking a chitload of money, fame, book and movie deals.If it was denial of the facts Jahi is dead then she would or should be allowing tests to be done that would prove her daughter was alive albeit profoundly and permanently disabled, probably requiring full life support until her body eventually gave up.Her main problem is that to gain custody of Jahi she had to admit Jahi was dead and get a coroners death certificate which made Jahi legally and permanently dead.No hospital or medical insurance provider will pay for care of a corpse.All that is keeping Jahi out of her well deserved and long overdue grave is donations and possibly pro bono work by sundry carers and doctors (doctors who are using Jahi to purport a theory and to get fame/infamy), Court documents filed by the family indicate that she is receiving state Medicaid in New Jersey. The feeding tube is going into her stomach, which is obviously working just fine. However the family would just show up at some hospital demanding care and then that hospital suffers the financial loss. The State of New Jersey allowed Police Officers and Fire Fighters to submit fraudulent, modified, fake "medical" bills that turned out to be for "steroids" not for antibiotics. Does that mean she could conceive? Totally agree. my interpretation of the scenario is that it requires a person who is brain dead, but maintained on somatic support.the common cause of this is a family member who insists the patient is not dead, in which case, they will be resistant to any testing which might defeat their denial.this leaves only a person who is brain dead, whose relative knows they are brain dead, but is interested in seeing what changes happen in their body over time. I'm no medical professional but I don't think they will ever know with certainty what caused his coma and subsequent death. One more question please?I read a report from Children's Hospital about her stomach sloughing and that there were no sounds indicative of digestion or something like that. 2018 Oct;29(2):165-170. doi: 10.1007/s12028-018-0593-x. This doctor signed off on the application with diagnosis code 348.1, anoxic brain damage. Jahi has yet to undergo a complete brain death exam including an apnea test since being transferred. I agree with the other comments!! There are not infinite resources available to care for brain dead people. She sold her house in Oakland and quit her job to care for Jahi, who she said could move her fingers in response to commands and even began menstruating. Criteria and Tests for Diagnosing Brain Death Diagnostic tests can be evaluated in several ways. In mot other cases my experience has been that families do not want to prolong the situation - in this case the McMath's are again an exception. I saw a photo of a younger relative kissing the corpse. As for picking up popcorn, I have no more evens to can't. Because overall her body been legally turned over to her mother. her family is disturbed but I just don't care. Doctor BastardI know the family has to feed and bathe Jahi, but what kinds of medical care might she be receiving? Would her heart have been damaged? I still love him, I still miss him, we still visit the cemetery he is buried next to his brother in, I still talk to them. Thanks. @emcee this has been on my mind since the case started. They did give a death certificate but her mom is keeping her on the machines. Word is that they fed the girl a McDouble right after surgery, against doctor's orders. [6][23][24][25][26][27], On December 20, 2013, McMath's family filed a lawsuit in Alameda County Superior Court, petitioning the court to require Children's Hospital Oakland to keep McMath on life support. If I were her mom & I called her name & her hand moved, then I called her name again it moved AGAIN & she opened her fingers & dropped what she'd been holding, you could NEVER convince me my daughter can't hear. I'll address each one. Certainly donations more so in the beginning probably ensured their survival & set up in NJ & for the apartment. A 13-year old American girl named Jahi McMath went to a hospital in California for a routine adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty, and resection of her inferior turbinates for treatment of her obstructive sleep apnea. Nope. The only people I've seen making that claim are the ones claiming Jahi is alive and that her brain hasn't liquefied like everyone claimed, which I have seen only a handful of times, but never by a medical professional. But the page is basically dead, dormant, no activity. I don't subscribe to all of the blogs would have been interesting to see because I know what we see on the FB page is not current nor accurate. Im just curious how in photos she has not lost weight, you would think after all this time, her body would have shrunk but nope, Ziggy, back in Oct of 2015 a photo of Jahi was posted by a hairdresser. No video was forthcoming, and the posts were deleted. An official website of the United States government. The lawsuit, let's not forget lawyers take 40 % off the top, there is taxes to be paid & a lot of addt bills that accumulated from those shenanigan doctors, that surround them. I am sorry, but just don't buy that you go from being shrunken and necrotic to full, flawless whilst on a ventilator and somatic support. We all shall pray for Nailah and family. I seem to recall all the siblings had different last names. [14] Additionally, the lawsuit alleges that McMath bled from approximately 7:30p.m. to 12:35a.m.,[14] that a doctor said [expletive], her heart stopped when he arrived hours after the family said they requested a doctor,[60] and that the family was given conflicting information from nurses regarding how to care for McMath's bleeding. Given Jahi has a death certificate signed by a coroner does this mean mamanails is committing fraud?To get custody of Jahi's body she had to admit and accept Jahi was dead. The brain stem auditory evoked potentials test performed at University Hospital on September 26, 2014 . She has demanded artificial ventilation and feeding, all the while accrediting her trust to God. And no I don't think Jahi McMAth will ever wake up. I know she is -- no pupillary reflex, no purposeful movement, no auditory pathways. Actually the Wired article sort of supports was I am saying. That, coupled with the fact that she looks like a coma patient, would certainly keep me believing that my child was still alive. Hi Ken.Would that make granny culpable for Jahi's death?Would it be negligent homicide?Could it possibly even be Murder given she should have known better and would have known or suspected the consequences given she was not qualified and neither was Jahi?If so could we see mamanails suing granny? This comment has been removed by the author. Use Next and Previous buttons to navigate. Not once.If you actually read what the experts said about Jahi, you would know that no one has "given up too soon" on her. I remember reading about the father saying don't let anyone tell you she was blind. Her case gained international attention as her mother fought a legal battle to keep her on life support. That causes intestinal ischaemia, which can cause the inner lining to die and slough. A mourner hugs Marvin Winkfield, left, stepfather of Jahi McMath, following the girl's funeral on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. Pallbearers transport Jahi McMath's coffin from her funeral on Friday, July 6, 2018, in Oakland, Calif. 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I know that's ugly to say, but people are denied everyday of medical care and they are ALIVE, so why is a dead person getting it?? Nope. He already has a Wiki pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier#Medical_condition. Have you seen the latest picture from the prayer page,that is the one Im talking about. But, the counselor in me says, the mother isn't mourning, and is seeing what she wants to see and is stuck in denial and bargaining of the grief process.. And when the time comes this fight will have hurt more than helped..In California death laws state, the body is the next of kin property.. Once they issued that death certificate that body belongs to the family and they have every right to do as they please for lack of better terminology, please don't be a smartass and say necrophilia..I don't get how they did the transition from death to on a flight with all life support still intact, once she was declared the hospital didn't remove the tubes and vent? I'm not aware of a Jahi McMath prayer page. I don't see anything wrong with that, especially since we're talking here about non-invasive tests which cannot possibly harm the patient. There is nothing in McMath's medical records from Saint Peter's University Hospital that would cause a reputable expert in pediatric or adult brain death to question or reconsider the accepted brain death assessments of Dr. Robin Shanahan, Dr. Robert Heidersbach, and Dr. Paul Fisher. EDIT NOVEMBER 1 2017: GINGER'S LIST HAS BEEN UPDATED TO 142 PAPERS. I first learned about Jahi McMath as her story was unfolding in the news. P. Thank you for saying this eloquently and much more tact than I'll ever be able to. Last night I finally followed momma Nails Facebook and found the latest picture and oh my geez is she swollen. Even in doubt of the docs, maybe he would be in a vegetative state, would it be what he wanted.. While she was in a persistent vegetative state, the shenanigans remind me of Jahi's. Do your self a favor and crawl back under that rock that you climbed out of!!! Also thank you for the prayers, still grieving over my mom whom I lost to cancer less than a month ago. At the funeral, she said her case should serve as a lesson to other families. If she does have a cycle who is doing all the changing and cleaning.geesshh. Go to the FB page. Now they claim she is playing a piano. It's hard for me to argue against that. They've gotten past that and are now using her corpse to profit. ??? Thank you! this was in the early part of 2014. Thank you for your answer. I also have worked with PICU families for 30 years (Doc I am old enough to remember when Pocus started) and during that time have seen families struggle to understand the concept of brain death or dying. [39] After receiving custody of McMath from Children's Hospital, the Coroner then released her to the custody of her mother, who was warned of and assumed all risk regarding cardiac arrest during the transfer. Good info to know.In the McMath case the legal proceedings have given us a unique opportunity - to actually see what these scans show in someone with prolonged somatic survival. Is the piano brought to the side of the bed or does Jahi sit at the bench to play. I believe some of your questions have been answered in the comments and FAQ of this blog. Photographs displayed on the altar showed Jahi as a little girl, with round cheeks and a saucy ponytail. I tend to get obsessed with certain news stories, and Jahi McMath's sweet face has begged my devoted attention. But remember most patients with brain death die somatically in a very short period of time, so it is not an issue for them. She is brain dead. There are no requests for money or visible summons to make donations. Why continue artificial support while she was coding if brain damage would have been so severe? I hope I am clear in my wording. except for the fact I wouldn't want to waste usable organs, I would say they could do a study of that nature on me. The child has died and has been dead since she was pronounced at the California hospital. I don't have any problems with a person doing that - but the odds of getting the right person are quite slim. Her parents considered these measures to constitute life support, while her doctors considered this to be futile treatment of a deceased person. - or in other words, wants to turn them into a bizarre medical experiment. It seems this family and their supporters are all crazy. Lessons from the Jahi McMath Case. Jahi was 13 in December 2013 when she entered UCSF Benioff Childrens Hospital Oakland for surgery to correct sleep apnea. Or is that just because NJ is cold? Her family refused to accept the diagnosis, and she was transferred to New Jersey, which offers a religious exemption to brain death. [40][41][42] The family moved the girl to an undisclosed location where a tracheostomy was performed and a feeding tube was inserted. People sometimes assume New Jersey is cold just because most of our citizens are. You can see the photos here: http://kesselrunin12parsecs.tumblr.com/post/91275477091/mother-of-the-year-41017-i-have-been-out-of. [34] Grillo told the family "This has been very, very hard on you. I think that would help them to accept Jahi's condition. Believe me, I know how hard it is to accept death. I'm sure someone is making money out of keeping this poor girl's body ventilated, and that's just nasty, as far as I'm concerned. [17][18], After the surgeries were performed, McMath was conscious and according to her mother, Latasha "Nailah" Winkfield,[18][19][20] asked for a popsicle while in the recovery room. . [53][54], In October 2014, McMath's attorney, Christopher Dolan, held a press conference where he said that recent medical tests had detected blood flow and electrical activity in McMath's brain and where he released videos which he said showed the girl moving on command. [21] On December 9, 2013, McMath suffered massive blood loss and consequent cardiac arrest. And hugging and talking to a dead body is just prolonging the grief period. It's called freedom of speech people, look it up. I have pulled some gross things from people's vocal cords during codes, but if you got clots past the cords it would be very difficult to get them out. In September 2016 the family announced that Jahi is initiating breaths on her own. sharing sensitive information, make sure youre on a federal I get it (sort of) I wish my daughter were still here but she's not. Its safe to assume theres a reason. The PubMed wordmark and PubMed logo are registered trademarks of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). not sure why but i am always disappointed when you right about this poor young girl. I'm sorry for your loss. Jahi's brain has an intact sure (brain lining) and a working ventricular system so the system is closed and there is way for a leak to occur. I mean the disability payment is minimal (700$) a month, if they got their a License to be a carer for her, they get paid money to take care of her. Jahi McMath. keep in mind grandma said, on TV that she had taken it upon herself to suction the surgery site, and then handed off the wand for jahi to do her own suction, all of her own accord. If they didn't want people commenting on it, they wouldn't have put in in the news in the first place. Why is it that she keeps on "living" when Mirranda Grace Lawson, who was only 2, did not? None. They provided the testimony of the two brain death experts Doc linked to here as the more complete factual record the court had earlier said was missing when they denied ruling on the motion at the pleading stage.I can't see how the court can ignore that compelling testimony. Her stepfather also has at least one child (featured in a wedding day photo) and I can't imagine she's happy that her father has devoted this much time and attention to her dead stepsister.Or maybe she's good with it but I would be surprised if it were the case. The family of 15-year-old Jahi McMath released a photo of her last week. As soon as the body is buried I intend to talk to my state representative about closing the loop hole that allows this waste of resources. 1) What is to me if Nailah wants to keep her on somatic support? Thanks for taking the time to keep us posted on this case. A side effect of these steroids is fatty deposition particularly in the face and upper back. Suspiciously, this claim was made only after her discharge from St. Peter's Hospital. 8600 Rockville Pike Stop pulling the plug on your people, she said. It is just as likely that the information we get for new advanced imaging in brain death will solidify the question rather than leave doubt. @tania, A very minor point from California, where Jahi started. Since then the family has remained silent regarding this phenomena and there hasn't been an update on the Facebook page since last February. She is a corpse that is being kept from decomposing through artificial means.
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