The article doesn't mention how many of the fatalities were crew; I presume from the description that all three pilots perished. Pilot error but more directly false ILS signal phenomenon. According to the ICAO circular, max power was applied prior to collision with the truck. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. with his crew that he had requested several times to have Why was the construction contractor permitted to have equipment all over (or along the side of) the runway with the ILS system? The violent crashing is clearly heard. Airport overviews from the air or ground, Tails and Winglets This thread is the most recent on Western 2605 on this website, so I thought I would add to it from here so that others might follow a google link and learn something as I have about this crash. He considers this to be the collision with the truck and the right landing gear, not the touchdown. For more information, please see our Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. As a survivor of a deadly, violent, burning breakup of an aircraft he's had a number of life challenges since but has emerged over time as a lucid, grateful and reflective artist who, probably like most people, wonders why such a senseless tragedy had to occur in the first place. "I saw a witch, a werewolf and a goblin" - Valenciana describing what he saw after climbing out of the mangled wreckage of a DC-10 in 1979. Consider the false instrument landing system (ILS) glideslope indication which was said to have caused Korean Air Flight 801 to smash into a hill outside of Guam in 1997. It was a DGAC (Mexican) investigation. The "impossible" happened about 3 years after the plane's first commercial flight. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Flight 2605 remains the deadliest air accident to have occurred in Mexico City. Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior, Cargo Aircraft [3] - paragraph amended at 20:24 by 68.33.74.40 and at 20:30 and 20:31 by 173.120.246.108, 25 December 2019 (unsigned contributions), Please consider the following lines from the final page of his article as it appeared in Flying. None of these higher authorities performed as required by law and regulation to make sure the buck stopped sooner. Ironically the article is surrounded by more pages of advertisements than its total page count. Mexico and the US both consider tourism to be critically important. Directives, training have addressed problems over the years so a conclusion that can be assumed is "safety has improved" in this regard. Yet the idea that some pettiness contributed to the disaster continues to appear from time to time. I replied to one post below that had the time of day wrong concerning the accident. A part of the CVR is widely available online. ATC: "O.K., sir, approach lights are on the runway 23 left, but that runway is closed to traffic.". While searching for the Western Airlines 2605, Mexico City, 1979 accident I discovered that there is nothing at all on the web. This page was generated at 03:03. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westernes_Flight_2605, http://aviation-safety.net/database/?id=19791031-0, http://books.google.com/books?id=8BVpage&q&f=false, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fod.main/130485/, http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/program.pl?ID=57025, http://web.archive.org/web/200910220/blackbox.html, http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/-tapes-cd.html, http://www.taxiways.de/DC-10/accident/N903WA.html, If this is your first visit, be sure to
I haven't been able to find more info. on this tragedy: I think there's a CVR on Airdisaster.com. - the eternal DI, Western was founded by a guy who flew for the RAF in WWI. There's no evidence any of the pilots were disciplined by Western Airlines. With the U.S. Air Force and sition to the parallel operating runway at an airport with a He has suggested an international cover up. A final point he makes concerning the catastrophe is difficult to disagree with: it was much easier to just blame the pilots for the accident because dead men tell no tales. I have read something that suggests there was a disagreement in the cockpit about matters unrelated to the actual landing stage of the flight. found him noticeably upset about the trip to Mexico City. The plane then quickly hit the truck, the electric pole, the excavator cab and finally the building. One wing clearly had more lift than the other. Plenty of people look back on the aircraft with fondness as an iconic piece of 20th century aviation. The widely recognized, deeply systemic problems of control by market forces means any article is going to be edited to surrender to those market forces. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . Western Airlines 2605 | CVR Redux 31 views Aug 23, 2022 Western Airlines Flight 2605, nicknamed the "Night Owl", was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles,. This wreckage continued aft, tearing away all check out the. That alone would be fascinating if we could obtain it. (But the pilots did anyway, probably as they did far more often that didn't end in some kind of horrific hull loss, and perhaps as Gilbert was doing in '79. ) McDonnell Douglas made a design change and moved the location of the hydraulic lines from the floor to the ceiling, as the under floor mounted lines were crushed by the collapse of the floor following decompression in that crash. We thank you for your support and hope you'll join the largest aviation community on the web. It is strange. Its a red herring to say they landed on the wrong runway. ", This page was last edited on 3 May 2022, at 01:09. Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR DisasterOnline 12.6K subscribers Subscribe 2K 219K views 8 years ago The voice recorder of Western Airlines flight 2605, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10, that crashed. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Because as with the case of this accident, there really wasnt any wrong with the plane. ", "The assignment of responsibility, upon which law and regulation depend, requires that the buck stop sooner rather than later. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpQWYdByNSg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1DlBRS0PiE. Aircraft flying government officials, Helicopters Quote copyedited at 21:28, 4 January 2020 (unsigned contribution) by 73.61.11.230: All of these accidents had some common human factors involvement. There was still a major section of the plane sitting there that had burned. Do we know this is correct? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment . RE: Western 2605 In MEX - New Pics #8819177 BY thegoldenargosy - Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:22 am One of the flight attendants survived and is still flying for DL in SLC. Western Airlines 2605 is a crash that sticks out in my mind as one of the most mysterious accidents of all time, as comparatively little about the accident itself has been released to the public. long work days or from shift changes. The CVR recording has a violent crashing sound which could be the initial collision with the dump truck and immediately following this is pilot Charles Gilbert's exclamation of "Jesus Christ" and a complete change of intensity in the cockpit. Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos. The ICAO circular makes no mention of this, presumably because it wasn't determined to be a contributing factor. The fact that Reichel didn't call out altitude may not have mattered although it was something he was assigned to do but doesn't necessarily mean this caused the accident or that the crew was unaware of their altitude: - unsigned contribution at 20:24 by 68.33.74.40, split out as new para at 20:30 and amended at 20:32 by 173.120.246.108 (unsigned contributions), 25 December 2019, The crew sounded wide awake to me. Our large helicopter section. The final moments of the pilots will make your hair stand on end. Information wanted on Western Airlines flight 2605. them replaced. Walsh (?) The sites we usually use for research won't say more than the above. Follow. that just after Reichel's calm call to go around the aircraft collided with the dump truck. I can't remember where I read the article, but it was very interesting. will not be used to prevent other accidents. "There is also the possibility that the ILS signal could have been unstable due - paragraph added at 00:00, 31 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.182.80. https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/09/16/DC-10-fleet-to-undergo-hydraulic-system-changes, https://www.designnews.com/aerospace/designed-disaster-dc-10-airliner-part-4, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1979/08/04/engineer-balks-at-changes-in-critical-dc10-systems, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-10, https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a205115.pdf Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.153.142.87 (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]. then realised rather late tht they were now on the ILS path so this must be 23L - wrong runway - and they better go around. Flying Magazine discredits the ALPA report. The plane landed in the shoulder in the wrong runway, without tower clearance, after at what was at best a shoddy approach, collided with a big, heavy truck and we know the rest. (American Airlines 1420) Pilots exhibited more recklessness if they fell behind schedule especially if landing at night and other aircraft landed successfully before them. Pictures of great freighter aircraft, Government Aircraft On October 31, 1979, the aircraft used for the flight, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10, crashed at Mexico City's Benito Juarez International Airport in early morning fog after landing on a runway closed for maintenance. Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin, Night Photos - paragraph amended at 23:09, 25 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.246.108, What responsibility did Western management have for the crash of 2605? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. . the distant horizon-c-at least for air carrier investigations - paragraph added at 17:40 + amended at 17:43 and 17:46, 24 November (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.148.69, and 23:37, 30 November (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.180.238, and 01:17 and 03:22, 1 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.153.15.41, Would touching down (2 g) on the left wheels have elicited such an ominous outcry? I would think so. My dad has mentioned to me several times this accident. 1.5K. (any of them?) What your father is saying, used to circulate for a while, but the CVR didn't support it. - paragraph added (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.74 at 20:21, 19 December 2019, Finally, I have read no analysis of the final statement that one of the 3 man crew says loudly under Gilbert's screams. WA 2605, A 35 AOS DEL PEOR ACCIDENTE AREO EN LA CIUDAD DE MXICO Hopefully this accident is featured on one of the future Air Crash Investigation episodes on Discovery channel. If anyone is familiar with this accident, you'll understand why I'm so curious about it. Props and jets from the good old days, Flight Decks - paragraph split at 01:17, 1 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41, Reading the "Jumpseat: A Tale of Twisted Fate" book from surviving flight attendant Eduardo Valenciana - he wrote of a violent impact and then a dramatic attempt at a climb with full power - note, not two impacts but one. The right wing obviously was damaged. Props and jets from the good old days, Flight Decks Our guests praise the breakfast and the helpful staff in . By using the words well known problem, this means historically in the time period of the accident, but also today in 2020, especially when not hand flying in planes more advanced and more automated than the DC-10-10 that Gilbert was hand flying in 1979. Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior, Cargo Aircraft It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article. (Did they know where they were more specifically?) ", - section created at 20:44, 30 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.131.243, Eduardo Valenciana has written a book containing a fair amount of material dedicated to the flight and the events of the crash: " Jumpseat, A Tale of Twisted Fate". Privacy Policy. Western Airlines 2605 is a crash that sticks out in my mind as one of the most mysterious accidents of all time, as comparatively little about the accident itself has been released to the public. that would have shown the ILS inaccuracy. A well known problem is the potential for erroneous glideslope and/or localizer indications caused by movement of aircraft or equipment through ILS critical areas. Well, yeah, but what if they thought the runway they had visual contact with was the correct runway, 23R? He was defending his company by blaming the pilots. 1979 was the planes deadliest year. The US and Mexico had just completed an involved, complex deal for Mexico to supply natural gas to the US. Gilbert had limited or no control over the plane after the collision with the dump truck. Mark Lincoln (talk) 00:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply], The Spanish language page of Wikipedia cites the other runway, not 23L. When I first started reading the links, I thought they were just to the left of 23R. American Eagle flight 4184, an ATR 72 flying from IND to ORD, crashed in Northern Indiana on October 31, 1994, which was 25 years ago yesterday. Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management, "In continuing toward 23L below [decision height, 600ft aal], by definition the crew was deviating from their cleared approach", "stayed on the correct flight path to Runway 23 Right for most of the time between the outer marker "Metro Eco" and [the] Airport, and only deviated to the runway closed to traffic (23 Left) when at a height of (600 feet) above the ground during .. final approach", https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a205115.pdf, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Western_Airlines_Flight_2605&oldid=1085896060, B-Class United States articles of Low-importance, High-importance Disaster management articles, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. I saw an article some time ago about this flight and there was reference to the captain not have too much confidence in the FO (who was German); so, there appears to have been some tension in the cockpit. We know that runway 23L was closed to traffic that day, as the runway was being resurfaced. The report also mentions the altitude callouts required from Reichel might have been made, or partially made, but probably weren't anyway. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The sad thing about this accident is that not one of Western Airlines Flight 2605 19 Reply kapotchaboii 1 yr. ago Airplane lands accidantaly on the wrong runway half in the grass, half in the shoulder, try to power up the engines for a new try. This is his recollection which conflicts with two reports. . Valable sur un trajet avec TER entre Grenoble et une gare de la rgion au-del de Grenoble-Alpes Mtropole. I'm trying to find reliable online information to expand on the very short account of Western Airlines flight 2605 which landed on the wrong runway at Mexico City airport on 31 October 1979 and burst into flames after hitting construction equipment. We may share certain information about our users with our advertising and analytics partners. done flyin'." Discover your dream home among our modern houses, penthouses and. Is this necessary? Western Airlines Flight 2605 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles to Mexico City. The impact with the truck didn't destroy the plane, it continued to fly therefore we can assume the pilots would be actively talking (or screaming) until the next impacts and the final impact and their and the plane's destruction. - para break moved, + para amended, by 173.120.246.108 (unsigned contribution), at 20:30, 25 December 2019, - section created at 22:08, 25 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.246.108. 1 / 3. I had to read it again to make clear they were to the left of 23L also!! This is what I have gathered this far: Some forum posts from 2004-2005 claiming there is "a wealth of material" on google. At that point, the right main gear lifted off the accident had to be one of human factors. The cause was due to ice formation on the wings. For more information, please see our 68 people died in that crash. Aircraft type McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10Operator Western AirlinesRegistration N903WAFlight origin Los Angeles Int'l AirportLos Angeles, California, United St. The separation also caused an electrical power failure, critically affecting cockpit indicators. The nose gear did not contact - paragraph added at 20:21 + amended at 20:23, 19 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.214.74, - section created at 15:12, 22 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.124. with them. (WARNING, DISTURBING) Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR Recording October 31, 1979. - paragraph added at 15:33, 22 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.124, From the publication DOT/FAA/PM-86/46 "Aeronautical Decision Making - Cockpit Resource Management" investigator observations within 24 hours of the accident: - paragraph added at 22:43 (and amended 22:44 and 22:45 x2), 29 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.184.130, "Main electrical wires to the approach lighting system and VAst for 23 left were observed to be disconnected. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The May 25, 1979 American Airlines DC-10 crash involved the separation of the left engine from the left wing and the shredding of hydraulic lines with it. Making things even more confusing the recorder was apparently pierced and an erase mechanism was reported to have been briefly actuated. They had "stayed on the correct flight path to Runway 23 Right for most of the time between the outer marker "Metro Eco" and [the] Airport, and only deviated to the runway closed to traffic (23 Left) when at a height of (600 feet) above the ground during .. final approach": it looks as if they were intending to maintain a lateral separation from the ILS path (to 23L) so as to keep them in line to come straight in to 23R. Pilot Gilbert got on the power (100%) before the impact with the truck and after Reichel calmly called to go around after everyone agreed they were at 23L. I can't guess why it would be hard to obtain. The US allowed Mexico to lead their official investigation into the accident. CAPTAIN A.O.D. or profound horror - perhaps with a terrible awareness of the fate of the plane. 2012-06-29, 13:43. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Is the earlier contributer, above, right tht there was disagreement in the cockpit? Most of the public is or was under the impression that safety would never be negatively impacted by sweeping "free market" legislation. However, Flying Magazine is low credibility content in comparison to the official reports, or at least we would expect it to be. Presumably the "Flying Magazine" article abridged content from 'official' reports and other sources. The hydraulic system may have been destroyed. On the other hand, it had developed a reputation among passengers and the media due to its string of high profile incidents. . [3] But this may already have long been determined to be the left wheel touchdown - but I haven't read a report specifically stating this yet. In addition, he was having enough of a problem $73. To be continued.. - paragraph added at 01:17, 1 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41, - section created by 173.120.214.74 at 20:21, 19 December 2019 (+ heading amended by 173.120.246.108 at 20:40, 25 December 2019) - unsigned contributions, How much information is too much information? Western Airlines Flight 2605 Crash With CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder) Vintage news cast with low volume CVR but informational at beginning Louder CVR with no introduction LAST WORDS SAID BY CAPTAIN: JESUS CHRIST! Still, Western Airlines Flight 2605 contributed to that long list of accidents on October 31st, 1979.Sources:http://docplayer.net/docview/24/2551935/#file=/storage/24/2551935/2551935.pdfhttps://www.baaa-acro.com/sites/default/files/2019-10/N903WA.pdfhttps://tailstrike.com/media/4sml0qsq/311079.pdfhttps://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19791031-0https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8BVI6sNpT4wC\u0026pg=PA100\u0026redir_esc=y#v=onepage\u0026q\u0026f=falsehttps://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-douglas-dc-10-10-mexico-city-73-killedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0xxYamy39s\u0026t=71s\u0026ab_channel=TheFlightChannelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z1G31Ik2no\u0026ab_channel=DisasterOnlinehttps://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-douglas-dc-10-10-mexico-city-73-killed "ALPA's purpose in large part was to exonerate the crew", "ALPA's attempt to identify causes highlights the mobility of that shapeless fluid thing called "blame". I recall hearing the CVR on this one years ago, a difficult one in its last monent, still huants me to this day, very sad. how about the poor general aviation pilot, what chance 20 % d'conomis par rapport l'achat spar des abonnements. for about 400 feet on the main landing gear. Privacy Policy. and our We'll never know because of the damage to the CVR: "The possibility exists that the callouts were made but erased in that portion of the CVR tape; however, it is highly unlikely that this was accomplished. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests, RE: Western Airlines Flight 2605 LAX-MEX '79. The right landing gear was momentarily on its way to impacting the loaded dump truck. It should be mentioned (perhaps in the main article) that if 2605 had somehow landed "properly" on the "wrong" runway 23L, the accident probably wouldn't have happened. CVR of Western Airlines 2605, terrifying. the flight path in reaction to the unstable localizer course." One new winner* is announced every week! crew was fatigued from flying all night, landing at 0542." Quoting . Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.120.246.108 (talk) 22:08, 25 December 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], - section created at 22:37, 29 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.184.130. right for a mistake and an accident. The aircraft continued flying just clear of the ground near taxiway Alpha.". Accident, incident and crash related photos, Air to Air Reichel was described as tired or unfit and he said so at one point in the cockpit. Whether or not this reputation was warranted is up for debate. Is the ALPA report secret or proprietary? along with what sounds to be "turn left." This is presumably the point he is yelling "Jesus Christ!" Cockpit crew coordina So the CVR may in fact be missing details. NASA setting the pace, maybe there is hope for a change on port and the hassle he usually received from the air traffic - section created at 20:35, 1 January 2020 (unsigned contribution) by 73.61.9.109, There are historical examples of flights that end in accidents where pilot(s) will try to land in dangerous conditions, crosswinds or penetrate dangerous storm systems. Walsh's preparedness was unknown. Population: 6,630 People In addition to airline bankruptcies, and industry consolidation, the Airline Deregulation Act meant open war on airline labor including pilots although it is rarely described this way. AR385. Acheter. The most comprehensive description and analysis by far is in the December 1983 issue of Flying magazine pages 100 to 107. The most common CVR excerpt begins at landing on 23L where Gilbert is asking if "we're clear on the right?". McDonnell Douglas made three more hydraulic system design changes following this accident. [9] . Might be good to add that detail. - paragraph added (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.180.238 at 23:37, 30 November + amended (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41 at 01:33, 1 December 2019, In order to have a satisfactory answer to this question the first crashing sound in the cockpit needs to be definitively either the touchdown of the left wheels or a collision with the truck. I've compiled some thoughts that I've placed under yours that I've read from reports of the accidents, both FAA and ICAO. He Both military and civil versions, Blimps / Airships A periodical featuring an advertisement of the L1011 depicts a perspective just off the nose of the aircraft. Pictures of great freighter aircraft, Government Aircraft The DC-10 included no cable backup for the hydraulic-powered flight controls because it was considered nearly impossible for three hydraulic systems to fail during one flight. . I'd like to reply to yours as well. Airliners.net is the leading community for discovering and sharing high-quality aviation photography. The event is the third-deadliest aviation accident on Mexican soil after the crashes of two Boeing 727s: the 1969 crash of Mexicana de Aviacin Flight 704 and that of Mexicana de Aviacin Flight 940 in 1986. We thank you for your support and hope you'll join the largest aviation community on the web. The final moments of the pilots will make your hair stand on end. LAST WORDS ON FLIGHT: BRACE CHARLES! Enjoy free WiFi, free parking, and breakfast. Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon, Accidents Report. Your destination for buying luxury property in Saint-Ismier, Auvergne-Rhne-Alpes, France. Accident, incident and crash related photos, Air to Air On top of all this, the control. More importantly pilot errors occured. It's pilots loved the plane. Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries, Airport Overviews Western 2605 was a crash in Mexico City that killed 72 people. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Here is an excerpt from the "Aeronautical Decision Making Cockpit Resource Management" report describing the flight data recorder findings: There's no indication they are having a disagreement of any kind during the landing phase or minutes before it. Props and jets from the good old days, Flight Decks I replied to one post below that had the time of day wrong concerning the accident. Encore moins cher pour les -26 ans. Gilbert probably screamed "Oh Jesus Christ.turn left!" (?) (WARNING, DISTURBING) Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR Recording October 31, 1979. The CVR was damaged, see below. Ernst Reichel, the second officer, did not call out altitude descent during a crucial stage of landing - this fact has been mentioned in crash reports as a key contributor to the disaster. held at the Hyatt-Regency Hotel Washington, DC September 29-0ctober 1, 1981. seems to say the following: " We're (He's?) AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. The cause was due to ice formation on the wings. Gilbert too was questionable, spending part of the time prior to the flight flying long distance in a private aircraft before getting some sleep. The plane is surrounded by heavy, dense fog and other than this view into the cockpit there is no visibility. There is no official report that we know of that gives any credence to this rumor. Western Airlines 2605 is a crash that sticks out in my mind as one of the most mysterious accidents of all time, as comparatively little about the accident itself has been released to the public. Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe, Classic Airliners Here are some ideas: - paragraph added at 20:21 + amended at 20:22, 19 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.214.74, Lay readers still have no idea what a "more than 2g force landing" means. Norton Air Force Base, this time period typifies the normal reaction time of board. Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR, Military Aircraft 9 seconds later the CVR ends, or at least what is available on youtube ends. He discredits ALPAs conclusions. This accident, incidentally, occured 18 years after the crash of 2605 which investigators also pointed out altitude callouts, and fatigue.
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